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Last post 01-19-2007 9:10 PM by ChefDave. 35 replies.
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  • 01-14-2007 10:30 PM In reply to

    • Obscura
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    Re: White Balance

    plum:
    Obscura...or anyone who can help.... I just purchased the digital gray card you recommended and hopefully will get it next week. I have not used one.. so like others.. not sure the exact steps.. after I take a picture of the gray card, then what?

    There are two schools of thought on using gray cards for custom white balance.  One is to fix it in your raw conversion and the other is to set a custom white balance and then check and adjust if needed in post.   Both ways work but I prefer setting a custom white balance so things are correct or very close to correct when I get ready to do my raw conversions.

    Here is how I work:  

    You'll need to check your camera' s owners manual because setting the custom white balance is different in different cameras.

    1. Compose your scene and set up your lighting. 
    2. Use a flash meter or your histogram to determine proper exposure.
    3. Place your gray card in the scene so it is being lit just like your subject. (If I'm doing portraits I have an assistant or my subject hold the card right under their chin so it's being lit just like their face is)
    4. In my camera I activate a menu item to "set custom white balance"
    5. Move in so the gray card is filling the frame  (or filling the center target area in your viewfinder, it's different with different cameras) and press "OK" to capture custom white balance.  If successful, the camera gives me a message saying so. 
    6. After setting the custom white balance my camera assumes that I want to use it.  If your's does not do this you'll need to tell your camera to use the custom white balance that you just captured.
    7. re-compose and shoot a reference image with the gray card in the scene.  (exactly where it was when you captured the custom WB) It is very important to capture a reference image.  This is how you will check your work and adjust if needed later on.
    8. Remove the gray card and continue shooting.   Your ok as long as the lighting does not change.  New lighting conditions will need a new custom WB.  
    9. Finish shooting
    10. Now open your reference image in your raw conversion software and check the RGB levels of the gray card.  If they're all the same, it's gray. (R=G=B=GRAY)  Now I say all the same... they may be a point or two off on some parts of the gray card.  The important thing is that they're all within a point or so. 
    11. If the RGB levels tell you the gray card is gray, you've captured good color.  Go on about your business and convert your images  :-)

    If something has gone wrong and the gray card has a color cast:
    (or you don't like custom white balance and prefer fixing everything in post) 

    1. I'm checking my reference image and the entire family dressed in red sweaters must have reflected red off the ceiling creating a red color cast in the entire image.  (including the gray card in the reference shot)
    2. My raw conversion software has an eyedropper tool for setting the white balance.  I activate this tool and click on the gray card in the reference image.  This tells the software that what I've clicked on is supposed to be gray and to make it so.  In the process of doing this it shifts all of the other colors in the image so everything is correct.
    3. I save this white balance adjustment and then apply it to all of the other images that need the same correction.  (the ones without the gray card)  

    This might seem like a difficult process but it really is amazingly simple.   I've been doing it so long that it's second nature.

    Note: It is also important to note that because I'm going strictly by the RGB values the monitor that I'm working on does not even need to be calibrated.

    Also Note: Perfect color isn't always the best color. It's a great place to start.  I photographed a 4 day old baby with jaundice once. If I had given the parents "perfect" color they would not have been thrilled.  If the perfect color is not working do not be afraid warm things up or cool them down to convey the mood the way you want to.

    Hope this helps!    Join the Gray Card Army! 

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  • 01-15-2007 10:28 AM In reply to

    Re: White Balance

    Thank you so much! Cindy
  • 01-15-2007 11:01 AM In reply to

    Re: White Balance

    I'm kind of chuckling about people trying to focus on a grey card! Your autofocus cameras must have contrast to focus, and a blank frame of any color prevents that. Turn off autofocus, take your WB photo and turn it on again.

    Most grey cards are not guaranteed color neutral, so be careful about using a non-calibrated one for WB. And WB works ONLY with JPEG, it makes narry a difference on RAW as RAW takes no white conversion instructions from the camera whatsoever. If you shoot RAW, you can dispense completely with any WB.

  • 01-15-2007 11:45 AM In reply to

    • Obscura
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    Re: White Balance

    When capturing the custom white balance I don't think it matters that the card is in focus.  My camera actually racks the lens so it's as out of focus as possible.   (making for a more uniform gray tone)

    I've seen quite a few gray cards in my day and I have yet to encounter one that is not certified neutral. (Kodak, Zone Labs, Robin Myers Imaging)  It's always printed right on the back of the card. 

    If you're shooting jpeg (and you shouldn't for many reasons) you can do a color adjustment on a gray card by using the eyedropper in the levels tool.  It's not nearly as good as working with raw data but it is possible. 

    Remember folks.  If you're shooting JPEG you are throwing away most of the data captured by your camera.  When you shoot RAW you're saving everything and then using the most sophisticated tool ever, your brain, to decide what goes into the final image.  Your brain is much more powerful than a tiny algorithm in your camera. 
     

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  • 01-15-2007 7:09 PM In reply to

    Re: White Balance

    Obscura, thanks again for your time to explain and help.  Wonderful information.
    julie
  • 01-18-2007 11:14 AM In reply to

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    Great info!!! Thank you so much!!!!
    Jeri McGiboney-Poole

    http://photobyjandj.com
  • 01-19-2007 1:26 AM In reply to

    • eth
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    Re: White Balance

    Shot in RAW mode and it doesnt matter---Set it to AWB and leave it.
  • 01-19-2007 11:27 AM In reply to

    • plum
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    Re: White Balance

    eth:
    Shot in RAW mode and it doesnt matter---Set it to AWB and leave it.

    eth.. after you shoot in RAW.. then what? do you open the pictures in PS and edit if you want?  I know they have to be changed to jpg at some point for printing... just not sure what to do after shooting in RAW?

    I have a way to shoot in RAW and jpg and just RAW.. but haven't yet.. would like to...

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  • 01-19-2007 7:21 PM In reply to

    Re: White Balance

    Yeah, even in RAW you will need that reference image if you want a custom WB in converting.

    RAW is not the universal answer to all digital photography questions. mostly what it does is increase your post processing work flow.

    AWB is also not a universal answer to white balance problems. AWB logrithms very form maker to maker and along the various iterations of a camera line.

    the best thing for daylight or flash is the "daylight" setting

    for indoors with mixed light sources go with the white balance of the predominent light source. usually "incandescent"{the lightbulb} for around the house and "flourescent"{the glowing bar} around the office. A custom white balance can give you a very good balance in these situations. you do not need a focused image for custom white balance. You can even just defocus your scene and use that as the reference image if you are caught out with no grey or white reference:

    d.

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  • 01-19-2007 8:25 PM In reply to

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    Depending on what you are shooting RAW can be either a waste of time or a life saver. If you have any doubts about color balance or exposure RAW can be a life saver. If you are shooting in controlled situations where you know you have everything nailed then it is a waste of time. I also like it because I can get a 16 bit image to work on and I have my choice of different resolutions when I convert it.

    If you want to set the white balance in the Adobe RAW Converter it is a matter of point and click. Select the eye dropper tool that has grey in it and clik on an area of the image that you want to be a neutral grey. Make sure the area you select is supposed to be neutral some areas look like they should be but are not. You can also try several areas to see what you like best.

    You can also include your own neutral reference in one frame and use that for white balance  then apply those settings to your other images that were shot in the same lighting.

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  • 01-19-2007 9:10 PM In reply to

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    yes it does work in jpeg.

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