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  • 06-03-2008 3:59 PM

    Summer School Lesson #2 Shutter Priority Mode

    Assignment #2  Shutter Priority Mode...

    You too can stop time in it's tracks.
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    Moving forward from where we left off with Assignment #1, we are now going to click that dial ONE MORE... To TV (canon), S (nikon) mode.

    If you are joining us late, please feel free to go through the first assignment, as many of the terms we use here, have already been covered in the first assignment. Feel free to ask questions at any time !

    Learning from the first assignment's experience,  I want to add one simple adjustment.

    1) Please keep all comments and additional information focused on THIS ASSIGNMENT ONLY... Do not add any new topics, techniques, or explanations unless they DIRECTLY relate to the concept at hand. Your advice and opinion is GLADLY accepted, but keep to the focused outcomes of each assignment.

    We are taking these learning tools one step at a time, and leaving out the books of information that are all READILY available on the net. These are project based exercises to help those who learn by DOING, not reading.  I hope you understand.

    If you require further information that the assignment does not cover, there is this new thing on the net that helps you find stuff... I think it's address is something like www.google.com.   hahah (sorry..very sarcastic joke).. My point is... Photography can get very complex..very fast. And we understand that ALL concepts intertwine with each other...But you have to start somewhere...

    And right here.....right now... is somewhere.... Get ON WITH IT GTRMAN....


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    Okay..we have all seen them.... those way cool shots of waterfalls, (did I just say way cool?)....

    How did they get the water to look like bu.....   (got ya ....you thought I was gonna say it didn't you)....

    How did they get the water to look all smooth and smokey looking...yet everything else is tack sharp. !  That photog MUST have been David Copperfield...cause dat stuff is MAGIC!!...

    Well...chances are, they clicked that program dial on the camera past the AV mode we learned about last week, and went even further down the rabbit hole...


    They probably clicked it over to the TV (canon) , S (nikon) Shutter Priority mode.

     

    Here is a cool little video that shows you how to do it in using a nikon, for example. (thank you cnet). Watch this little clip before you continue.

    http://reviews.cnet.com/Quick_Tips_Using_your_Nikon_D80_s_Shutter_Priority_Mode/4660-10621_7-6722443.html


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    Lesson #2  Using Shutter Priority Mode on your Camera.  

    Goal:    To figure out what that TV (S) thing does on the dial.
                Demonstrate you can capture fast moving objects without blur.
                Demonstrate that you can create Blur ON PURPOSE for cool artistic effects. (key word..."on purpose")


    Materials:    Any camera that has Shutter Priority Mode in the manual settings.
                      A fast moving subject.. birds, waterfall, a 3 year old... It's your choice.
                      Tripod... ( a must for this one... use uncle Franks head if you don't have one)

                      (side lesson)... If you don't have a tripod, you are insane...go get one...like..umm...right now.
            

    Time:        give yourself 30 mins for this one... you will take quite a few shots this time.


    Assignment:    This is a two part submission.  You will submit 3 images in total to satisfy the assignment. Using the techniques outlined below, you are to submit:

     

     1) Photograph an image of a subject that moves quickly. Pick something you have NEVER gotten a crisp image of.  Something I like to call the "Dammit Shot."  You know the one, everytime you get home, you look at it, and say "Dammit...I missed it." The image will be without blur, and demonstrate that you "stopped time." Pictures of statues don't really count.. The subject must be something that moves quickly.

        2)  The second and third image you submit will demonstrate that you were able to use motion and blur in your shot to your advantage. This is not CAMERA blur...(ie..shake your camera while taking the picture). We are talking about creating motion blur ON PURPOSE using TV Mode to create a sense of motion and drama in the image. The first image will be a simple snapshot of the subject, to show us what it is you started with. Think of it as the "before" picture. The SECOND shot is the money shot. Use the technique outlined below to make an awesome "after" shot. That way we can see what you had to work with, and what you ended up with, and thus provide tips to make it even better. (if possible..most of you are perfect right out of the box).

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    Notes:

    Again using Gtrman's back to basics mentality... (because after I get past the basics, I bore myself...and start to nod off, and smack my head on the keyboard.  These are simply GUIDELINES to work with...if this is too simple for you...go ahead and take it to your next level. Pro's feel free to really show off here. Give us a little sumthin sumthin to strive for.

    Seat belts on, and your trays in the upright position......HERE WE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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    Submission #1 Example.


    1.     Turn on Camera (because it STILL works like crap if you don't).

    2.     Roll that Program dial button thingy PAASSSTTT the AV mode, and click it to the TV (Canon) S (Nikon)  Shutter priority mode. Check your             manual, or ask one of us if you don't know how to get to Shutter Priority mode on your camera.

    3.     Make sure you put batteries and an empty memory card in that camera.

    4.     Attach it to the tripod you just went out and bought due to my guilt trip I gave you in the initial instructions.

    5.     Sit down and have a drink...that was a hard 5 steps to get through..

    6.     Take the camera and tripod out of the house, and find a subject that is moving pretty quick...
            You can tell it is moving quickly....because It is not moving slowly. (I have such a way with words)


    Now comes the hard part... and is most open to assistance from the others here. It is also where the "art" comes in...Only YOU know what you want to capture, and what result you are looking for. For the purpose of the lesson, I will use a bird.  You can use cars, planes, 3 year old kids, anything that whips around at a very fast speed.    Birds are quite difficult to capture...
    (thus the challenge... if it was easy..everyone would be doing it...so quit your wining when you don't nail it the first time).


    8.     While in TV mode, turn the dial until your camera LCD indicates 1/500 for SHUTTER SPEED.  That will give you a pretty darn quick exposure.         Find a bird in flight.. and try to capture it. Hard to do while on a tripod I know...but do your best. The less camera shake the better.

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    ***Pro Note***  As you know...there are 500 issues I could bring up now... But we won't... BABY STEPS REMEMBER???
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    9.     Okay.. you got the shot ! (might take you 20 shots to get a decent bird shot).

    10.   Now.. review the image on your camera...how did you do? Still too blurry? NO PROBLEM...turn the dial even FASTER... Try 1/1000 if it is a         bright day and take a shot. Review your images and adjust the shutter speed FASTER until you manage to STOP TIME in it's tracks....

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    As with the first assignment , you will notice VARIABLES...(geez I hate that word...it never means a good thing).

    As you INCREASE shutter speed (make it faster), LESS light comes into the camera...

    Less light = darker...


    Think about it this way...

    When the sun is up...there is more light = LIGHTER

    When the sun is gone...there is less light= DARKER

    (yes..I know...my knowledge of simple basic things is absolutely astounding...)

     

    Increasing shutter speed = LESS LIGHT

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    So how to I fix this dark image Obi-wan???? HELP ME SEE THE LIGHT MAN !!!!

    My answer???

    No... Sorry...can't do it. ...

    Not yet !!...

    We will cover that next lesson... For this week... DON'T Worry about how dark or light the image is...JUST STOP TIME. Get rid of the blur from your fast moving image.  If the image is TOO DARK, Slow down the shutter speed back to 1/800 or less until you can at least see the image.

    See the bird example below...it was shot at 1/5000 of a second in TV mode. It was very bright out, so I was able to get such a high speed. THE TIP HERE IS ***** Try to shoot this part of the assignment in a ton of light...MID DAY SUN*****
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    Part II... Using TV mode to get all Artsy and stuff....  (wow..my technical jargon is hot).


    1.     Set up camera on tripod and point it at a subject that has flowing water. (waterfall, fountain, sink faucet, cat peeing...what ever you got).  Do         this when it is not so bright out. Sunrise and sunset is ideal. (for the REVERSE reason of the above example...for this one, you want to shoot         in a DARKER conditions.

    2.    For your "before" shot, just use P mode or Fully automatic mode.. simple stuff.. We just want to see what your subject is as your "before" pic.
           Now, using that dial you used to set the speed at 1/500 in Part 1, now go the OTHER WAY...

           We are gonna slllllllloooooooowwwwwww it down here... Let's try a shutter speed of 1/4 or up to even 2 seconds !

    3.    If you don't use a tripod here? quit, and go play golf or something. Because you will fail horribly.

    4.    Now.. focus on the rushing water, and take the shot being VERY careful not to shake your camera.  You will hear your camera take an image        like it was on prozac. verrrrrry slow. If you know how to use your camera's timer, set it for 2 seconds or more, and take the shot, so you don't        move the camera when shooting. (If you have a remote release, or wireless remote..use that).

    5.    Your result will show the surrounding area in focus, but the rushing water will be blurred... cooooooool.. The LONGER the exposure time? The        more dramatic the effect on the rushing water.
     

    6.     See the examples below of the waterfall, contributed by your resident Moose. It shows the effect of changing the shutter speed time from             1/60, and SLOOOWWED  down to 2 seconds. (you will notice his ISO changed as well).. More on that as we go through the assignment. 

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    ***Pro-tip.. if any of you hot shots try to tell the beginners to use Mirror Lockup, I'll smack you with a 3 week old tuna.***
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    You knew this was coming.... there is ALWAYS a but.... (insert your own joke here).

    We now have the reverse problem as the first submission...It can be possible now that we are now letting TOO MUCH LIGHT IN !!.. That shutter thingy is open for too long, and now there will be TOO MUCH LIGHT...

    Which means THE LONGER your shutter time, the BRIGHTER the image will be if we don't somehow compensate for it.

    Read that again...

    THE LONGER your shutter time, the BRIGHTER the image will be, unless we compensate for it.

     So in example #2,  if your Shutter speed is TOO LONG, your image could be blown out or the big term "overexposed."  If your image looks like a snowball fight between two polar bears in the middle of white out blizzard...you overexposed your image..

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    So how to we fix this? 

    Why Can't I get a super fast shutter speed without having the image too dark. Or in the second case.."Why can't I get a super slow shutter speed without blowing out my image?"

    Well?  You know what?   I'm not gonna tell ya yet.

    Wait till next week !   If your image is a little on the bright side...Thats fine at this point.

    Next week we are going to tie the first two assignments together and find a way to answer these very important questions !!

     

    ***jeez...it almost looks like Gtrman had a plan here...***  (keyword......almost).

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    To Wrap up:


    This week's lesson is a little more complicated, and you may have more trouble getting a quality shot, as there are more variables involved this time.  Be prepared to get some WILD exposures ( too dark or too light), as MUCH of this technique has to do with what kind of light you are working with.  Don't be afraid to post your failures as well as your successes. I'll bet we all learn more about our cameras with this lesson, than any other.

    Adjusting the shutter speed from slow to fast, when shooting water can create some incredible images... I can't wait to see yours !

    Next week we find out how to control that darn light ...But for now...let us see you STOP TIME, and see your best artistic water shot using nothing but TV mode.

     

    Remember...the only dumb question is the one you didnt ask....

     

     

    ...

     

    that and.... "hey.... do I need a tripod?"

     

    Have FUN !!!


    Gtrman

    P.s. I'm gonna do this one too ! I want to see what I can do with TV mode without changing any other setting. Mid level photogs/advanced..lets see how we can push the limits of these cameras without changing iso speed or using any filters etc.

     

     

    Strange how laughter looks like crying with no sound....
    Raindrops taste like tears....without the pain.
  • 06-03-2008 4:00 PM In reply to

    Re: Summer School Lesson #2 Shutter Priority Mode

    Example Number 1

    1/5000 Bird in flight.. STOP TIME

     


    Strange how laughter looks like crying with no sound....
    Raindrops taste like tears....without the pain.
  • 06-03-2008 4:01 PM In reply to

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     Example #2  Moose's Two shots... 1/60 and then 2 seconds...

     

    #1

     


    Strange how laughter looks like crying with no sound....
    Raindrops taste like tears....without the pain.
  • 06-03-2008 4:01 PM In reply to

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    #2 2 second exposure

     


    Strange how laughter looks like crying with no sound....
    Raindrops taste like tears....without the pain.
  • 06-03-2008 5:13 PM In reply to

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    Woo Hoo !

    This one sounds like FUN....

    now, where is the nearest waterfall???  hummmmm

     

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  • 06-03-2008 6:10 PM In reply to

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     Gtrman, one question. I thought in AV and TV modes the camera sets the aperture or the shutter speed (depending on what mode you are in) but in the last assignment we did I was still able to change all setting so what is so different from these modes vs. manual?






    Dolly

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  • 06-03-2008 6:30 PM In reply to

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     Here ya go - this should help:

    http://www.gowaterfalling.com/ 

    I love this site. Great for finding awesome picture locations!

    Shan 

  • 06-03-2008 6:44 PM In reply to

    • Moose
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    Re: Summer School Lesson #2 Shutter Priority Mode

    dolly:

     Gtrman, one question. I thought in AV and TV modes the camera sets the aperture or the shutter speed (depending on what mode you are in) but in the last assignment we did I was still able to change all setting so what is so different from these modes vs. manual?

     

    Dolly, When you are in AV or TV modes, the camera will in fact pick Pick the Shutter Speed when in AV modes and  Will pick the Aperture for you in TV modes... You CANNOT manually change them on your 40D..what you actually were doing (by moving the back wheel) was: Changing the Exposure Bias Compensation...which yes in AV mode changes the Shutter speed..but it also changes your exposure...probably not for the better.

     

  • 06-03-2008 7:55 PM In reply to

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    The Nerd Husband:

     Here ya go - this should help:

    http://www.gowaterfalling.com/ 

    I love this site. Great for finding awesome picture locations!

    Shan 

    That site is awesome !  I had no idea there were SO many waterfalls in the UP.  I have lived here my entire life and probably only been to 1/4th of these waterfalls.  Unfortunatly the only one I have time to visit this week is pretty small.....I know of a couple "man" made ones pretty close...and then there is the river just a couple miles down the road.  I just may have to be creative with this one.  I have always wanted to get water to look that cool though...so this is going to be FUN, FUN, FUN !

    So much to learn, so little time!
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  • 06-04-2008 4:11 AM In reply to

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     Tell me if I didn't follow the instructions correctly. They were a little confusing to me.

    Assignment 1. 1/4000 sec.

     

    Assignment 2. Both photos taken about 1 month ago.

    A. 1/200 sec.

    B. 0.6 sec. (a little more than 1/2 sec.)

     

     

     

  • 06-04-2008 8:09 AM In reply to

    • Lonnie
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     I didn't see any water falls listed in Texas, I guess I'll have get into the shower.  Actually is some great moving water close by. This is a great assignment. I like the pictures so far.

     

    Lonnie 

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  • 06-04-2008 12:58 PM In reply to

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    Good Lord Man... what is wrong with you? I have no idea why I made that assignment explanation so LONG !! I do apologize...I just started typing and forgot to shut up..

    I hope it does not confuse too many people.

     

    Today  I wanted to demonstrate some bird action...

     

    Picture 1 is at 1/4000 of a second (using ISO 400).  I bring it up to show that sometimes, if you need more speed. You can change the ISO NUMBER on your camera to a higher number. This may allow you to get a faster shutter speed (which you need with birds). If you would like us to explain this further, let us know !

     

    Picture #2 is a perfect example of many of the shots you get with wildlife... So if you have a whole bunch of these, take heart in the fact that we all do.. I had 30-40 throwaways before I got 2 or 3 decent shots this am.

     

    CHeers !

     

    Gtrman

     


    Strange how laughter looks like crying with no sound....
    Raindrops taste like tears....without the pain.
  • 06-04-2008 1:00 PM In reply to

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    #2... One of my best...

     

    It shows the impact of mankind on nature, and how if we keep destroying our wetlands we will lose the natural habit.....

     

    aw... Nevermind.. It sucked... I'll stop the B.S.

     

    haha

     

     


    Strange how laughter looks like crying with no sound....
    Raindrops taste like tears....without the pain.
  • 06-04-2008 1:10 PM In reply to

    • Karrie
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    Re: Summer School Lesson #2 Shutter Priority Mode

    okay yep LONG LESSON to read thru FIVE TIMES to make sure i got it, i sure hope i did, first shot, ruby throated hummer taken last week

    summerschoolhummerone.jpg picture by TheChainsawChick

    Next two, down at the spring fed river, not much of a waterfall, but we built it when i was a kid and keep making sure it's OK every spring, not telling HOW LONG AGO I WAS A KID EITHER SO DO NOT ASK

    I love the fact that the rocks appear to be blurred in the second shot due to the crystal clear water running over them, assuming is the action of the water and little tiny air bubbles creating this......so teach, how'd i do?  My camera is on TV mode 99% of the time as i love the control i have with it

    summerschoolrivertwo.jpg picture by TheChainsawChick

    summerschoolriverone.jpg picture by TheChainsawChick

    Karrie

    If you can't be a good example, you will just have to be a horrible warning.


  • 06-04-2008 2:23 PM In reply to

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    gtrman:

    #2... One of my best...

     

    It shows the impact of mankind on nature, and how if we keep destroying our wetlands we will lose the natural habit.....

     

    aw... Nevermind.. It sucked... I'll stop the B.S.

     

    haha

     

     

    LOL

    That is more like my bird shots.......

    good one !

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  • 06-04-2008 3:00 PM In reply to

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    gtrman:

    #2... One of my best...

     

    It shows the impact of mankind on nature, and how if we keep destroying our wetlands we will lose the natural habit.....

     

    aw... Nevermind.. It sucked... I'll stop the B.S.

     

    haha

     

     

     

    I laughed so hard at this that my toddler started laughing with me, and he had no idea why!!

    OK, off to the river...

  • 06-04-2008 7:05 PM In reply to

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    Ok I tried today...

    and I got a couple shots of the birds....and never changed the settings.

    i was just trying to catch those darn things...they are fast!

    anyway, I have to try again tommorrow with some different settings.  So, my pictures will be of different birds on different days.  Wow.... I think we need a lessonon how to change the settings really  REALLY fast ! 

    This one is gonna be more complicated than I thought, but I am having more fun and I am more determined to get these shots....all of them!

    Oh yeah, I had the shutter speed at 1/500 and it was not fast enough.  I will post that shot as soon as I get it sized for here.

    [http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/74Pinto/assignment1bird1.jpg]


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  • 06-04-2008 7:25 PM In reply to

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    Trying to add the other shots.

    These were all taken at 1/500 speed.

    They seemed to have slowed the wings down BUT...there is no detail and they are pretty dark.

    It is very overcast and dreary today too.


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  • 06-04-2008 7:26 PM In reply to

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    Third one today.

    see.....if I had ONLY changed the settings.

    I think this one bird was feeding ? the other one?


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  • 06-04-2008 7:29 PM In reply to

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    Last moving bird of the day.

    Ok...let me have it....

    the shutter speed must have been too slow yet, and it definatly is not light enough today.

    Trying again tommorrow.

    {{{ sigh }}}


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    My Wish List is Longer !
  • 06-04-2008 7:35 PM In reply to

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